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Gregg Popovich, Sports, and Politics

I love Gregg Popovich, head coach of the San Antonio Spurs, as a coach and as a personality.  One of the two or three greatest coaches of all time, Popovich’s teams play smart basketball and the colorfulness of his personality adds greatly to the game.  He is even fun to make fun of – see here at 1 minute, 58 seconds.

Unfortunately, Popovich has been speaking out on politics recently.  Here is an excerpt from a speech:

“Obviously, race is the elephant in the room, and we all understand that, but unless it is talked about constantly, it is not going to get better,” Popovich said. “People get bored. ‘Oh, is it that again. He’s pulling the race card again. Why do we have to talk about that?’ Well, because it’s uncomfortable and there has to be an uncomfortable element in the discourse for anything to change. Whether it’s the LGBT movement or women’s suffrage, it doesn’t matter. People have to be made to feel uncomfortable, and especially white people, because we’re comfortable. We still have no clue of what being born white means … It’s hard to sit down and decide, yes, it’s like you are at the 50-meter mark in a 100-meter dash. You’ve got that kind of a lead. Yes, because you were born white, you have advantages that are systemically, culturally, psychologically, there, and they have been built up and cemented for hundreds of years. but many people can’t look at it. It’s too difficult … People want to hold their position. They want the status quo. People don’t want to give that up. And until it is given up, it’s not going to be fixed.”

I going to put to the side whether, and to what extent, Popovich’s position is well-taken, because it is largely beside the point I want to make.  Popovich’s position is controversial and many people will disagree with it.  Should Popovich be making controversial political statements?

There is a strong argument he shouldn’t be.  We live in extremely divisive times, where these divisions are seeming to tear the country apart.  If one thinks that is a problem – as people on both the left and right increasingly seem to believe – the question is how to address that.

One way to address this political divisiveness is to limit the areas where politics is discussed.  It is familiar refrain that one should not discuss religion or politics at parties, and there is much sense underlying it.  If politics are discussed, people will often end up fighting.  If politics are avoided, then people can connect about other things.

The same argument applies to not having politics intrude on sports.  If people can avoid politics when it comes to sports, then they can connect about the sports.  Left wing and right wing people can agree to love the Spurs, without even thinking about politics, and other left wing and right wing people can agree to hate them, again without thinking about politics.  It is the basketball, not politics, that matters.

Thus, keeping politics out of sports both allows people to connect on other issues and gives them some respite from political fights.

Of course, people in sports have freedom of speech, and that means the government cannot ban their speech.  But that does not mean it is good for the country for the leagues, for players, or sports media to talk about politics.

Yet, I think it is unlikely that politics will be removed from sports. Each political ideology tries to use the power it has, and the left has a significant advantage in that they control elite sports.  Still, sports enterprises may pay a price.  Viewership of the NFL is down over the last couple of years, and the protests are likely one cause of this decline.  Eventually, this will cost the owners, the players, and media money, and they may be forced to reconsider.

Of course, the effect may turn on the sport.  Basketball can probably get away with greater social liberalism than football, due to the demographics of their viewers.  But perhaps if football continues to engage in such antics, there will be enough of a decline in viewership that they will constrain themselves a bit.  Here’s hoping.

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on September 28, 2017 at 10:59:00 am

Yep - and shut your phones during dinner hour! There IS a time and a place for everything.

Interesting little tidbit:

The NoFunLeague actually has a requirement that players be on the field, fully dressed ten minutes prior to kickoff; this would include being present for the anthem, AND the NFL also specifies how the players are to conduct themselves during the playing of the anthem (stand, hand on chest; does not rquire one to sing, etc).

NFL Players also sign a contract that recognizes that the Owner may fire them for conduct deemed detrinetal to the team or the league. So even though guvmnt cannot mandate respectful behavior (with which I agree) it appears that the players contracts may require them to do so. Hey, BOR does not (necessarily) apply to football teams.

So no phones at dinner; no megaphones on the sidelines!

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gabe
on September 28, 2017 at 11:02:10 am

I would like to thank Mike Rappaport for bringing up a sensitive and timely topic in a way that is not inflammatory.

I am inclined to wonder if Popovich's statement is correctly characterized as "political," as it deals with social injustice.

Over the years, I have had occasion to interact socially with a lot of black and Mexican people. For whatever it's worth, I am inclined to be sympathetic to Popovich's view (as quoted by Rappaport) -- and for that reason I am inclined to applaud Popovich's willingness to speak out as a concerned citizen, using his position as a well-known sports figure to amplify his message. The founding values of our republic very prominently included VIRTUE, which emphatically included active concern for the well-being of our fellow citizens.

My view is that the current environment of endemic racial tension is the flip side of the issue of income disparity, featuring the chronic impoverishment of outsized percentages of underprivileged minorities. At some point, if income disparity gets too far out of balance, we get social chaos, in which nobody wins. In other words, the government's economic and financial policies would seem to be inextricably linked to the issue of whether the population will remain governable, or whether the current regime will lose the mandate of heaven.

In my opinion, the way to alleviate the ongoing racial tension is to improve the economy. In my opinion, the "American System" policies of George Washington, John Quincy Adams, Henry Clay and Abraham Lincoln -- policies that enabled the industrialization of the USA and got copied by Germany and Japan for their own industrialization -- provide a model of "regulated capitalism" that is worth examining for useful precedents. We need to re-industrialize in order to rebuild the tax base and provide jobs -- not handouts -- for Americans of underprivileged backgrounds whose communities are plagued by chronic unemployment.

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John Schmeeckle
on September 28, 2017 at 11:19:20 am

Interesting that Popovich would use a "like being at the 50 yard line starting a 100 yard race..."

I was born with an ailment that will never allow me to play in the NBA. It's a genetic disease I inherited from my German and English ancestors.

Try as I might, I cannot touch the rim of the basketball hoop, nor run a 40 yard dash in less than 5 seconds.

This disease is very debilitating and I'm crushed that I will not be able to compete for the tens of millions of dollars paid to NBA and NFL players each year for not having this ailment.

#WhiteManDiseaseSucks

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Eric Ramondo
on September 28, 2017 at 11:26:17 am

We have three-front war going on in America: a cultural war, a class war and a race war. Popovich's comments are addressing the last and he is oblivious to the first two.

I am not sure how a man of Popovich's status - he is a mega-millionaire celebrity, whose reference group is mega-millionaires with rock-star celebrity power - qualifies him to speak for all whites and their privileged position. It is hard to imagine a less qualified person to speak about the "white" condition.

While Popovich is taking sides in the race wars, the people he is speaking to are fighting a class/cultural war. Even if what Popovich is saying were 100% true, he is utterly delusional to think that your average white guy clinging to his $40,000 a year job and seeing his culture trashed is going to listen to likes of him or the mega-million dollar athletes he is defending.

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Bill H
on September 28, 2017 at 11:28:52 am

Addressing his comments on the merits, the most noteworthy portion isn't the lunatic allusion to Nation of Islam teachings re "whiteness" being a fiction. Rather, it's this quote:

"People want to hold their position. They want the status quo. People don’t want to give that up. And until it is given up, it’s not going to be fixed.”

There's an obvious question which any sentient journalist follows with. It's "Pop, I gotta ask, will you announce your resignation right now, then? You're a straight white guy coaching in a league where 90% of the players are black, aren't you one of the best illustrations of this quote on the face of this Earth?"

This question is *never* asked of white proponents of affirmative action in academia, the Rooney Rule in the NFL et al. And it's an entirely relevant, fair inquiry.

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Constantino
on September 28, 2017 at 12:30:48 pm

Sports and politics do mix when it is in the interest of a certain segment to make it so. The author needs to write another column on this subject.

In 1964, the IOC banned South Africa from the Olympics. Same, I'm sure, for Rhodesia at some point.

In 1980 and 1984, the US and the USSR played tit for tat on not participating in the Olympics.

The NFL threatened to withdraw the Super Bowl from Arizona unless it established a King holiday. We have the NCAA taking action against SC on the Confederate battle flag, then against NC over men in the ladies' room. (I still say that cost Duke the national championship.)

So South Africa was not fit for polite international sports company but North Korea is. There is a reason for this.

Plus, where was the outrage when Chicago and the DC City Council were doing their best to deprive citizens of the constitutional rights regarding the Second Amendment? When will the NCAA be telling college administrators that they will respect free speech or lose postseason games?

Folks, it all depends on whose ox is being gored.

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Keith Waters
on September 28, 2017 at 12:34:28 pm

I wanted to add that there was much wringing of hands regarding the 1980 and 1984 Olympic boycotts because "sports and politics do not mix." What a joke. Other examples abound.

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Keith Waters
on September 28, 2017 at 12:36:19 pm

Ah, the Genie is out of the bottle, me thinks. Granted, much of life is enjoyable when the current activity (work, sport, party) is not distracted with politics. I doubt there is any going back. In my experience, the prog-left presumes to dictate behavior everywhere--any convention/tradition that proscribed (or preferred) conduct has been overturned, or is in the process thereof. Despite tradition being a result of wisdom of the ages, the progressive view that everything before yesterday is wrong has taken hold.

The best one can do is to maintain your own propriety, and change the subject when politics arises. Otherwise, it won't be merely "the personal is political," but everything will be political.

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Forbes
on September 28, 2017 at 15:00:18 pm

"Conduct detrimental" = anything Culture Warrior Gabe™ disagrees with.

When you get the symbolism, you get it:

"When a player is injured to the degree that they cannot leave the field under their own power, the players on the sidelines kneel down until they have left the field.

Kaepernick, and those who kneel with them, are doing so to honor the hundreds of black men and women who have been summarily executed by police officers. No trial, no chance, no justice.

That is not ok, and if they want to dedicate that time to honoring their fallen brothers and sisters instead of the country that keeps allowing this to happen with no consequences, then good for them.

You have every right to disagree with what they are doing, but instead you might try to understand. Maybe even join them in honoring American citizens who have been murdered, and who are then disparaged and blamed for their own deaths.

The narrative being pushed by the right is not at all what the actions of these players is about. And until the actual problem is addressed, I see no reason for those protesting to stop."

As for the owners firing the players, good luck with that. Who are you going to replace Aaron Rodgers with? TEBOW?

Even though they are millionaires, this hits home. They are one traffic stop from a body-bag.

l still see Confederate flags flying at NASCAR events. But the Blood and Soil Culture Warriors™ have no problem with that....

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Miss Creant
on September 28, 2017 at 15:21:02 pm

B: "I am not sure how a man of [Donald Trump's] status – he is a mega-millionaire celebrity, whose reference group is mega-millionaires with rock-star celebrity power – qualifies him to speak for all whites and their privileged position. It is hard to imagine a less qualified person to speak about the “white” condition."

lt's hard to imagine Trump putting together three sentences at eleventh-grade level.

B: "your average white guy clinging to his $40,000 a year job and seeing his culture trashed"

How is YOUR culture being trashed? The remark implies ownership.

B: " is going to listen to likes of him or the mega-million dollar athletes he is defending."

One is left to marvel as to how people will listen to a sociopathic narcissist showing signs of dementia like Trump, but not listen to the comparatively coherent Popovich. l don't agree with what the Coach says, but you have to square that circle for me.

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Miss Creant
on September 28, 2017 at 15:28:38 pm

Well Widdle MissC:

Again, you impute to me motives, etc that I may not possess - in any event, you have no way of knowing.

In any event, the RULES are NFL rules, - not mine!

And simply because I would prefer dinner (and my sports entertainment) to be respectful it does not mean that I am opposed to players (or anyone) speaking out or that I am unaware of the problems that certain groups may encounter.

I simply wish to not have to pay for them to exercise that privilege. Speak on street corners, speak at banquets, hold press conferences, issue manifestos, etc. - just don't do it on my dime!

As for NASCAR - I have only sped "chemically" and I would never "impair" (HA!) a trademark such as "Blood and Soil Culture Warriors™ " (HA, again!).

Also, I did not see the Lefty Culture Warriors protesting when Mozilla fired a highly regarded VP simply for voicing opposition to SSM. Widdle MissC and cohorts have no problem with that, now do they?

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gabe
on September 28, 2017 at 15:31:25 pm

ln the next 30 years, most industrial jobs will be taken by robots. We are going to have to re-think capitalism in a fairly significant way.

Coal jobs aren't coming back.

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Miss Creant
on September 28, 2017 at 15:42:57 pm

"...sociopathic narcissist showing signs of dementia ..."

Plucked straight from the headlines of MSNBC!!!!

MissC is, in addition to a constitutional law expert, now an expert on Alzheimers!
And BTW: ever hear a Popovich interview - it can border on the incoherent.
But yes, The Trumpster is not the most articulate of our enlightened leadership!

And it is not so much that the "$40,000 / year guy is seeing his culture trashed as it is that he / she has simply grown tired of hearing about all the *privileges* they have had - quite the privilege to awaken early, struggle through horrid traffic jams caused by Lefties whop refuse to fund roads (well because we wouldn't want global warming, of course), work in the elements constructing buildings for the very same leftist globalists who would prefer to pay lees money to an immigrant, etc - and who struggles to provide a decent life for his / her family.

Thier one respite is sports entertainment, for which they may scrimp and save to attend games, and now even in this retreat they are subjected to more of the same.
Whatever the Left touches - it destroys!

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gabe
on September 28, 2017 at 15:59:42 pm

That is true! However, we should recall that robots themselves do still need some human "care and affection". Like humans, they do fail - and when they fail they fail "Yuugely." They require a host of engineers, programmers and maintenance specialists to function.
What we are really talking about is lower skilled assembly labor - and that as The Boss said "ain't coming back"

I advise some young people, who clearly are neither capable nor interested in academic / professional careers to consider the "trades" - plumbers, electricians, carpenters, etc will always be needed AND the opportunity to earn a rather respectable income and or own ones own business is another advantage.

Unfortunately, in the building trades, at least in the residential market, our (near) "One-Percent" friends prefer to hire illegals for many trade positions and are forcing many otherwise highly employable tradesmen / women out or requiring them to reduce their wages. So even here, we have a problem.

Then again, perhaps with the recent trend to posit "human rights" for rivers, monkeys, dogs, etc, we may be able to count on our Lefty friends to advance a campaign for "Rights for Robots." Heck, it may slow the trend! -Ha!

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gabe
on September 28, 2017 at 16:09:29 pm

gabe: "the RULES are NFL rules"

And for obvious reasons, they aren't enforceable.

gabe: "And simply because I would prefer dinner (and my sports entertainment) to be respectful"

Watch golf. No national anthem to fight over. :)

gabe: "I simply wish to not have to pay for them to exercise that privilege. Speak on street corners, speak at banquets, hold press conferences, issue manifestos, etc. – just don’t do it on my dime!"

You mean, like keeping Christians from bleating during valedictories? The only problem here is that they are not doing it on "YOUR dime," but a whole lot of shekels. l no longer go to ballgames unless l have investment bankers' seats, and would rather watch my football with beer, nachos, and a remote. Who watches the bloody anthem, anyway?

gabe: "Mozilla fired a highly regarded VP simply for voicing opposition to SSM. Widdle MissC and cohorts have no problem with that, now do they?"

l categorically oppose ANY firings on the basis of one's political views, religious views, or sexual orientation. But it was people like you who want to be able to fire gays for being gay, and who oppose reasonable limits on the "at will" termination of employment.

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Miss Creant
on September 28, 2017 at 16:31:48 pm

Gonna hurt the NBA too if they go there. I want to watch a game, not be lectured by brain concussed jocks and their X and O coaches just do your job and protest off work. Or protest without the fans you insult.

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No NBA too?
on September 28, 2017 at 16:34:21 pm

“…sociopathic narcissist showing signs of dementia …”

gabe: "Plucked straight from the headlines of MSNBC!!!!"

More like, the DSM-V. Trump couldn't tell the truth with a compass and a road map, displays all of the classic tell-tales of NPD, http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/narcissistic-personality-disorder/basics/definition/con-20025568, and increasingly, sounds like Reagan on his last furlong. Scary. Bigly!

gabe: "BTW: ever hear a Popovich interview"

No. l have no interest in hoops, and even less in people talking about it.

gabe: "And it is not so much that the “$40,000 / year guy is seeing his culture trashed"

That was the claim l was questioning.

gabe: "struggle through horrid traffic jams caused by Lefties whop refuse to fund roads"

Huh? The Right has refused to fund infrastructure, b/c Grover Norquist won't let them. l'm for raising taxes to pay for infrastructure upgrades. So is most of the "Left."

gabe: "the very same leftist globalists who would prefer to pay lees money to an immigrant"

As opposed to the Righties who offshored the manufacturing jobs in search of labor arbitrage?

lt ain't about Left and Right; it's about the oligarchs and the peasantry.

gabe: "Whatever the Left touches – it destroys!"

Guess you missed the Reagan Revolution, and the systematic destruction of the middle class. "Where free unions and collective bargaining are forbidden, freedom is lost!" The same Reagan who said that destroyed the labor union.

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Miss Creant
on September 28, 2017 at 18:12:18 pm

C'mon now, Edith! _ Here we go again with your unsubstantiated slanders:

"But it was people like you who want to be able to fire gays for being gay, and who oppose reasonable limits on the “at will” termination of employment."

really, and you know this precisely how? - or am I simply a stand-in for the iconographic "deplorable" which you, and your ilk, have conjured up in an effort to exhibit your own moral / ethical superiority.

And I do watch golf - in fact watched the Playoffs instead of my Seahawks game. As for golf, it is an activity that I would highly recommend to you. Above all else, golf instills a certain humility - just what the Doctor ordered for you, MissC!

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gabe
on September 28, 2017 at 18:28:02 pm

Missy:

The funny thing is that you and I agree on a number of things - why don;t you see that I also take the oligarchs to task (difference is that the oligarchs have consistently voted left for decades. And Yep, I grow nauseous at the tripe proffered by the "conservative" economists at NRO and other venues.

A personal bit of info:

In one of my several incarnations, I fought to stop the offshoring of advanced medical imaging equipment. quite the battle BUT i WON BY TRANSFORMING a poorly performing manufacturing operation into one with world class metrics. In so doing, I demonstrated that a) the "unskilled" of the world were far more savvy than were the overpaid "sheeples", desirous of adhereing to the latest Bulls*it* pronouncements emanating from the Wharton Business School (and others), b) that it was better and more profitable (in absolute dollars) to have a lower return on investment THAN a higher return on (deliberately) depleted assets, and c) even the "uneducated laborer" was capable of FAR FAR more than he / she was given credit for by mgmt and their academic cohorts. And BTW - from personal knowledge these knucklehead offshorers were a fairly even mix of left and right. The one thing that they had in common was that, all their "progressive labor sentiments aside, they did not give a damn about their hourly work force - only their own bonus payments and stock options.

Regrettably, after I left, the company was bought by a European conglomerate and guess what - offshore we go, boyos.

One day, if you ever get over your incessant evangelizing, we may be able to have a decent conversation about this.

In fact, I'll provide what I hope would be an interesting (counterintuitive) opening statement:

This country would be much better off if we in fact had some OLD SCHOOL oligarchs instead of the cowardly cretins currently masquerading as Captains of Industry.

seeya
gabe

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gabe
on September 28, 2017 at 19:56:03 pm

Mr. Popovich has been too busy with his coaching and other stressing duties. There is a constant dialog about race and I have heard it daily blaring at me on the TV and through the other various media. There is no end to the amount of discussion and condemnation. Condemnation of this nation, my state, my religion, my color, my parentage, and practically every other thing having to do with a white person not being able to 'understand' the problems of being black.
Well, I do understand a lot about being poor and being disadvantaged due to being poor and being the odd guy out due to the same situation. And what I do remember is that I was encouraged and pushed and prodded to do something about my situation myself. And that, dear friends, is where a lot of the disconnect is.
Yes, I understand that being white, there were some advantages when it came to going to a job interview, etc. Except when you grow up in the rural Midwest you are competing against the same people who already have relatives, friends, friends of friends to pave the way for you.
What is left is education and way back when, there were no wonderful scholarship programs, etc. for the average white kid from a small high school with no one to guide you to even apply for them. And that leaves many of us feeling that the money we have poured out over these past 50 years in the fight on poverty has been absolutely wasted. We still have the core black community that does almost nothing to curb its self destruction. We see more and more programs targeted toward the black community who continues to complain about their history as slaves. I challenge them to look at the Hispanic community and Asian community and start to emulate their approach.
We have seen it and I personally have seen it where blacks and others of color from poor communities, with parents who did the same thing my parents did and emphasize that there were ways to improve my lot in life if I would take them, expand their horizons and go on to successful lives. Maybe not as investment bankers or CEO's of Fortune 500 companies, but as successful small businessmen, teachers, preachers, lawyers, local bankers, and so on.
I am just totally up to HERE with the amount of whining, bellyaching and jawboning that has been done over the years, when the real answer lies right where people of the left and the do-gooders don't want to go. And that is the destruction of the black community as a community and the destruction of the single family unit among blacks.
END*OF*RANT

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JBob
on September 28, 2017 at 21:20:45 pm

I live in San Antonio, and used to go to a couple of games a year.

I also watch sports because it was a nice diversion from the real world.

He started this last year, so I don't even watch the spurs on TV. Same goes for the NFL and ESPN.

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Bradoplata
on September 28, 2017 at 22:47:15 pm

Miss Creant

Thanks for your response. If you want to be critical of my post fine. However, I didn't mention Trump once in my post and yet two thirds of your comments speak about Trump.

I will address your one comment that was marginally germane to my post.

You say: "How is YOUR culture being trashed? The remark implies ownership."

The problem is, I didn't say "my culture". My comment doesn't refer to me. My comment was referring to Joe six-pack who watches football. I am not Joe six-pack, I am far more inclined to watch lectures on history and Premier league soccer. And yes, Joe six-pack, does think "his culture" is being trashed. Or if you prefer, he believes "the culture" is being trashed. For what it is worth, I am inclined to agree with Joe. The culture is being trashed.

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Bill H
on September 29, 2017 at 08:50:28 am

gabe: "As for golf, it is an activity that I would highly recommend to you."

Carried a scratch in my younger days, and a 6 during my 50s.

gabe: "am I simply a stand-in for the iconographic “deplorable”

Those who are upset about Kapernick's kneeling appear to fall within a narrow range. The requirement that FB players stand for the Anthem is of recent vintage:

"Tom E. Curran of Comcast Sportsnet New England reported in August 2016 that teams appearing on the field for the national anthem was a relatively recent development in the NFL.

Curran said NFL spokesman Brian McCarthy confirmed the practice began in 2009..." [People, 9/25/17] ... after the DoD started paying the NFL for product placement.

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Miss Creant
on September 29, 2017 at 09:15:07 am

MissC:

Yep, I am aware of the recent vintage of the requirement.

some comments:

1) Let me clarify something: I am not arguing that the players should be fired as you seem to argue. I am only saying that as a metter of "contract" (something YOU always seem to highlight) that they CAN be fired for this.
2) Again, "narrow range" - not all fall within that range. For me, my sole objection is that I don;t feel like hearing it AT a football game. I am a "charter" season ticket holder (6 tickets) - this is costly and like most folks, we simply want to enjoy FOOTBALL. If we want politics, we can watch the damn news and keep our monies for something good like Walla Walla Valley Cabs, Merlots or Syrahs.

3) Before my auto accident, I carried a 9 but actually had played to a 6 for about 3 months - then whammo! Now I can barely finish a round. But hey, maybe I can get a handicap adjustment from the guvmnt under the ADA - whadda ya think?

4) As a veteran, even I am annoyed by the DOD sponsorship of the NFL and the forced or strained support for the military exhibited at games. When all veterans are asked to stand (usually in November) at games - I sit down. Just play football and shut up.

Make sense?

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gabe
on September 29, 2017 at 10:45:27 am

Oops, forgot this:

"Those who are upset about Kapernick’s kneeling appear to fall within a narrow range. "

Anecdotal evidence but still:

My group is comprised of about 20 people from all walks of life - professionals, truck drivers, sales, engineering, academics, etc:

The interesting thing is that across this diverse group almost all are upset with the players stance (or non-stance). Even more interesting is the fact that the Hillary supporters are more upset than the those to the right.

I would re-examine the contention that those upset with the players fall within a narrow range. Like me, they just want to enjoy an athletic spectacle.

Now I am off to (literally) tear up the golf course - Ha!

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gabe
on September 29, 2017 at 14:56:10 pm

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DKuxjPVUIAA8Aje.jpg

Hey, boyos - open this and you may understand why folks are simply tired of the silly inane childish nonsense propagated by the Looney-toon Lefties and the likes of MissC - wherein it is explained that WhiteAthletes still standing for the flag are, *OF COURSE* Standing for WHITE Supremacy.

And Widdle MissC wants us to admit our innermost (and double secret racism) and recognize the sheer and utter intellectual and moral superiority of Widdle MissC's position.

Open it kiddies!

Da ya wonder why folks are ticked off!

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gabe
on September 30, 2017 at 08:43:17 am

gabe: "I am only saying that as a metter of “contract” (something YOU always seem to highlight) that they CAN be fired for this."

The law draws a distinction between incidental and material breaches. Besides, in pro football, the talent is what you have to sell. As a practical matter, what do you do to your team if you fire a Tom Brady, a Matthew Stafford, an Aaron Rodgers, or a Von Miller?

The league has a substance abuse policy forbidding the use of ganga, forcing players like Brett Favre to rely on highly-addictive opioids. And we're shocked that they become addicts? Ricky Williams had the right idea, but it cost him a career.

gabe: " For me, my sole objection is that I don;t feel like hearing it AT a football game. I am a “charter” season ticket holder (6 tickets) – this is costly and like most folks, we simply want to enjoy FOOTBALL."

The Anthem lS politics. A forced display of patriotism. lt's like being asked to bow my head in prayer before a meal. ln our headlong rush toward fascism (we're here), these displays become more problematic; the DoD's use of the NFL for product placement is cause for concern.

As for season tickets, where l live, you pretty much have to inherit them. :) But one of the nice things about not having tickets is that you can change the channel when the game is a dog, and you can fast-forward thru the commercials after having played a round on game day.

gabe: "The interesting thing is that across this diverse group almost all are upset with the players stance (or non-stance). Even more interesting is the fact that the Hillary supporters are more upset than the those to the right."

As SNL's HRC quipped during election season, "you can either vote for the Republican, or Donald Trump."

But more to the point, it is amazing how tolerant and patient one can be when one's own ox isn't being gored.

gabe: "But hey, maybe I can get a handicap adjustment from the guvmnt under the ADA"

Huh? Higher handicaps are a good thing. lt translates into strokes given and beers not bought. :) ln golf, as opposed to life (sadly!), honesty really lS the best policy.

lf you've been disabled or know someone who is, the ADA is not a laughing matter. Too many of them are your comrades-in-arms.

gabe: "Now I am off to (literally) tear up the golf course – Ha!"

All l ask is that you don't drive like a Trump. :)

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Miss Creant
on September 30, 2017 at 08:52:10 am

That is the question that needs answering, Bill--irrespective of whether you are speaking about the group or yourself. Culture simply is. (My likes include the cricket, which not one in a hundred native-born Americans can explain.) lt appears to evolve quite organically.

l wouldn't classify my comments as criticism of you personally and no, that was not what was intended in any event. Apologies for not making that pellucid. l'm merely marveling at the bizarre fact that these people have chosen a billionaire layabout with more intrinsic flaws than a 1976 Yugo as their champion.

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Miss Creant
on September 30, 2017 at 09:00:21 am

This is ultimately about the fact that our cops kill more people in custody in a single year than Britain's have in the last century, and they seem to have an itchier trigger finger when around Negroes. The Castile shooting and treatment of Freddie Gray are emblematic of the problem; l can't begin to defend what the cops did.

As for Popovich, he has to work with black talent, and needs to relate. NHL coaches, not so much.

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Miss Creant
on September 30, 2017 at 09:12:58 am

l've actually said as much in a brief: The last time monkeys had more rights than humans, Charlton Heston was the star.

We had that problem in the First Gilded Age, as well. They were called "WOPs"--short for "without papers."

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Miss Creant
on September 30, 2017 at 17:40:38 pm

"...ADA is NOT a laughing matter."

ABSOTIVELY agree here - it ain't. Actually, (as is often the case) my comment was intended to be self-deprecating! If I can't make fun of myself, WHO CAN?

"All l ask is that you don’t drive like a Trump"

Hey compared to GHW Bush - The Trumpster is an excellent driver of the golf ball - (here one should think of Dustin Hoffman and his self assessment of his driving capabilities. Ha!

seeya

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gabe
on October 01, 2017 at 11:27:05 am

gabe: "Hey compared to GHW Bush – The Trumpster is an excellent driver of the golf ball"

l was thinking more about the golf CART. :)

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Miss Creant
on October 02, 2017 at 09:49:13 am

Redneck-on-redneck violence in Las Vegas?

HuffPo's contributors are often as loony as those from the Heritage Foundation.

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